10 Issues Facing Web 2.0 Going Into 2006

posted Thursday, 3 November 2005

Now that industry leaders like Microsoft are not only taking Web 2.0 concepts very seriously, they are apparently intent on banking on them as well, we're certainly living in a slightly different world this week compared to last.

Read Tim O'Reilly's excellent Live Software blog entry analyzing Microsoft's angle on Web 2.0 if you're not sure. Microsoft is saying all the right things about RSS, Ajax, social networking, Internet as platform, software as a service, etc. They've even apparently taking the release early, release often approach a little too seriously and the only thing that is actually live right now is live.com and microsoftgadgets.com, which are a little thin at the moment.

OK, but now that big industry players are really starting to take this Web 2.0 stuff to heart, we should get a bit introspective and clean house a little. In this vein, I've come up with a list of things I believe are still holding Web 2.0 back, and if left unaddressed, might ultimately place Web 2.0 in the shoebox at the back of our software development closets.

Admittedly, this is my list and is completely subjective. Feel free to add your own or tell me I'm wrong. In no particular order...

10 Issues Facing Web 2.0 Today

1. Excessive Hype: Nothing will hurt Web 2.0 more than people loudly proclaiming Web 2.0 is the solution to every problem in software. It's surely not and saying so is a credibility killer. We heard this with object technology, we heard this with components, people said it about dot-com, and too many other silver bullets in the last twenty years. Nobody believes there is a overall panacea to the creation of software. Web 2.0 is merely a powerful way of thinking about the design and construction of effective Web experiences. Bloviating is the term I hear the most from Web 2.0 hype complainers. Let's agree to stop it.

2. Lack of Simple Definition: While happy looking meme maps and other visualizations can be terrific learning tools, and bullet lists of concrete ingredients are even better, let's get this one nailed this year if we can. Sure, Web 2.0 is a large topic with lots of interesting moving parts. But get any group of Web 2.0 pundits together and ask them to define Web 2.0 and you'll get wildly different answers. We need to get this one fixed.

3. Aging Poster Children: Flickr and del.icio.us are absolutely terrific examples of the new face of Web 2.0. But are they truly setting the world on fire? Will those of us that use them die if they went away (OK, some of us might). But my point is that these guys are getting a little long in the tooth in Web years and while very good, their functionality is nowhere near as central to our lives as say Google, which is already 7 years old. Tons of new Web 2.0 startups are being released every day, I can't even keep track of the social bookmarking sites alone (I came across three new ones yesterday, seriously). And some of the better Web 2.0 apps that are coming out are for laughably obscure vertical markets. If this stuff is truly happening, let's hope we can point to things better than Microsoft Office Live. My vote: 37signals seems to have some of the genuine goods, but with only 100,000 users, let's hope we're at the very, very beginning of the Web 2.0 adoption curve and not in the middle.

4. Needing A Permaconnection: While some of us have laptops with built-in wireless broadband (heck, I'm writing this on a terrific Sony laptop that has it), that would put me in 0.0001% of the Web population I'm guessing. That doesn't sound like the recipe to a revolution to me. Web 2.0 applications, even native ones like iTunes and BitTorrent require fast, stable connections for them to work. Unless pervasiveness really steps up (and this maybe is why Google is exploring giving away WiFi), Web 2.0 will be what Microsoft is positioning it as now: an extension of how we do work, not where we really do it.

5. Ajax as the Official Web 2.0 Experience: Ajax is getting serious hype at the moment too but quite frankly, people are going to expect so much from it that it will get ugly. Ajax has some important limitations that most people are just learning to appreciate now. Don't get me wrong, I love Ajax as a solution to the right problems. But trying to use it for a hammer in every situation will cause everyone a lot of difficulty. Local data storage and synchronization should be properly solved, the security sandbox issue to multiple Web sites needs to be addressed, and things like the <canvas> tag being sorted out. This should be done at the level of the browser. Flash might also be a partial answer to certain solutions, and Yahoo! apparently agrees. But I do think we need to focus on solving these problems by tweaking the Web browser model and not hacking things to improve Ajax.

6. Excessive Attention On The Technology: Darn it, us technologists always focus way too much on the underlying technologies of things. Whether that's with Web 2.0, RSS, Web services, Ajax, DHTML, SOA or whatever. People trying to get value from technology want it to solve their problems, they don't care how it's done underneath (for example read this great article from Jason Bell about building software for his own business and learning that technology was the least important part.) One of the things I like most about Web 2.0 is that it puts people into the center of the vision. This is exactly what we technologists need to be told, bluntly. Technology is the outlier in Web 2.0, the magic behind the curtain (but behind the curtain darn it) and I think it's really hard for some of us to hear. Communication, collaboration, collective intelligence, and social interaction between people is what Web 2.0 is about so much more than the technology pieces. If we forget that, we'll lose Web 2.0 to the application marketectures and technology stacks that most folks in the real world have never cared about in the first place.

7. Really Bad Adherents. I'm not going to point fingers here but like every other succesful idea before it, everyone wants to co-opt it. I've run across so many Web sites that claim to be Web 2.0 yet barely have any of its ingredients. I'm pretty sure actually touting yourself as Web 2.0 is not the way to go. Look at what Microsoft did, they needed to have an umbrella for their version of the Web 2.0 toolkit and they created Live Software as a result. (Sure, they needed something to trademark too). Anyway, don't call yourself Web 2.0, just do it.

8. Blogging Instead of Doing. This brings us to the walking the walk bit. While talking about something is great fun, and pundits just love to issue opinions, there has been way too much discussion about Web 2.0 and not enough action. If you don't like Web 2.0 fine, but show us something better. We're all tired of reading about people who like Web 2.0 or hate it without adding much to the discussion. Especially if you are on the negative side, show us something better or get off the ledge. The world needs constructive debate, not anti-hype. BTW: I think I'm not as guilty of this as I might look. I have some exciting things coming with Web 2.0 ingredients which I'll share with you in the near future.

9. Not Facing Hard Truths. Like I discussed recently, there are some aspects of the Web 2.0 business models that aren't so positive. The obvious success of non-shared, private algorithms is one of these. The push for near-monopolistic user counts to be truly successful is another. Web 2.0 pushes businesses to think BIG and to make a grab for mindshare quickly. Reaching a tipping point where you can achieve economies of scale and enough collective intelligence to be valuable appears to some people to require near market dominance. There will be other problematic issues that crop up. Staying truly open and sharing your functionality with others might get really hard in the future. Let's work on ways to make it all stay on the right course.

10. Adopting The Lightweight Creation Model. Both Microsoft's entry into the space (Fred Wilson's comments)and Google's recent releases have been pretty underwhelming. The fact is that these are both large, centrally controlled organizations trying to deliver nimble, lightweight software in frequent releases. This ponderous, older style of organization is one that will have trouble delivering good Web 2.0 software. Doing the release to production every 30 minutes like Flickr is isn't something that Microsoft as an organization has as a core competency (I'm excepting MSN here, but that isn't their main software organization). Yes, they do daily builds of their software internally but it often takes them 2-3 years to get something out the door. Other large traditional companies trying to do Web 2.0 will have stillborn attempts at it as well. Like the agile methods are making some smaller companies deliver better software, the big guys need to reinvent their development shops and that's a hundred times easier to say than to do. In my opinion, expect a new generation of companies to build Web 2.0.

That's it. If we can address these, 2006 will be a banner year for Web 2.0. I don't expect them all to be worked out, but it's all about continuous improvement in the end.

What do you think the biggest issues with Web 2.0 are?

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1. Paul Montgomery left...

Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:06 am :: http://tinfinger.blogspot.com

How about Thinking The Whole World Is Like Silicon Valley? I don't know how many times I've read that Memeorandum has "changed the Web", but how many readers does it have outside the people who are mentioned on it? Web 2.0 is still a very small, insular movement. There should be far more attention paid to what people who aren't impossibly well-connected and highly technologically savvy will want from these new services.

2. PeteCashmore left...

Thursday, 3 November 2005 1:22 pm :: http://www.mashable.com

I second Paul's opinion. Unless you're a true early-adopter, this web 2.0 stuff means very little - you'll continue to use Office (or Office Live, eventually), like everyone else. We need something compelling that appeals to mainstream audiences - people who don't care about what's under the hood, but just want technology that makes their lives easier. One way to achieve this is through simplicity - look at what Apple has done for both hardware and software. Google is the ultimate combination of high techmology and a simple UI, while 37Signals and Flickr will no doubt go mass at some point because of their mainstream appeal.

On the "aging poster children" point, I'd love to see the next really big company be born in the web 2.0 era. Periods of change tend to create a lot of buzz, but yield only a few strong survivors. And the next truly great companies (the next Googles and Yahoo!s, if you will), will have the courage to go it alone - acquisitions won't be an option. It's not clear what the core competencies of such a company might be, but my guess is that these businesses have already been born.

Anyway, great post. I'll try to trackback it if I have time.

Pete.

3. Mike left...

Thursday, 3 November 2005 9:01 pm :: http://www.velvetsmog.com

Web 2.0 is the java applet of 2005. People are again trying to write fat clients, this time based on dhtml. It's really not THAT exciting.

Don't get me wrong, I love prototype.js and use it daily. Sure it's nice to see websites only sending the data they need and not refreshing all the time, but it's hardly life-changing.

4. grumpY! left...

Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:31 pm

web2 is people talking about web2. its become a self-referential meme. blogs and tagging are answers to questions people aren't asking. gmaps is neat, but do you sit in front of a map all day? this is just bored, childless 30-somethings trying to elevate their projects into some cosmic epiphany.

5. doug left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 2:03 am :: http://www.all-encompassingly.com/

I'm afraid that Grumpy is probably right. Most of Web 2.0 is obsessive navel gazing...

6. doug left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 2:04 am :: http://www.all-encompassingly.com/

But I should add, wonderful post. A really nice (and realistic!) look at the coming challenges.

7. gavin left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 4:44 am

The next thing! The next thing! Gotta do the next thing! It's gonna be big! It's gotta be big! Please let it be big! To me, the whole Web 2.0 thing smacks of adolescent desperation.

The lesson of history tells us that those who provide the most value to the most, win. Those who gaze at their navels, don't.

8. Massimo Pescuma left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 6:55 am

I personally think that we should consider analyzing every issue in depth, and see if users percieve the changhe and can get to content more easily.

9. Sean Coon left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 7:20 am :: http://www.seancoon.org

I'm a huge proponent of Web 2.0, but more so as a philosophical driver; a rallying term for designers and developers that engaged in this industry to dramatically change the way we (people) interact with one another (through the use of data and information and data once again).

The rest of the industry will continue to go about their 9 to 5, slowly evolving, no matter what terms are being hyped, what services are being referenced, what techniques are being used... Even with ultimate clarity, they are rooted to risk management, technology contracts, closed philosophies from the executive level, etc.

If we, the early adopters, were to spread our focus of engagement across both innovative *and* closed domains (.gov, finance, traditional publishing, etc.), we'd go far in *leading* the execution of forward thinking interactive experiences and these "issues facing Web 2.0" would work themselves out.

I say just keep on collaborating, communicating, sharing ideas (http://www.seancoon.org/2005/10/web_20_the_micr.html) and fighting the good fight.

10. Son Nguyen left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 2:01 pm :: http://blog.trungson.com/

Definitely agree with the first two opinions and I also think you ordered these points by level of importance. However, if they could not deliver the promises, it's still a good thing to get people excited, feel like innovations are still possible. Once the hype is gone in couple years, what left would be the elite ideas/projects/companies (just like the dot-bomb). So go all crazy, only the best survive.

11. John left...

Friday, 4 November 2005 6:53 pm :: http://www.cubicstudios.co.uk

No Server Push!

The AJAX component of what we are calling Web 2.0 has no push functionality and thus requires repeated polling of servers, this could be changed by using a Flash Object instead of XMLHttpRequest.

12. Marshall Kirkpatrick left...

Saturday, 5 November 2005 1:03 pm :: http://marshallk.com

A few examples of actual web2.0 projects I've implemented in the last year that also serve as indicators of some of my priorities for the phenomena:

* WebJustice2.0 Attention Stream: Aggregated feeds from a common tag to centralize discussion of white male dominance in Web2.0 and what can be done about it: http://marshallk.com/inequities-in-web-20-lets-tag-about-it

* Technorati Tag Bookmarklet: making adding tags easy for people intimidated by HTML and saving time for the rest of us. Blogging promised to be easy for those with no programming knowledge, let's maximize participation by helping fulfill that promise however possible. http://marshallk.com/tagging-bookmarklet-and-how-to-screencast

* Blog Alert Box for the Committee to Protect Bloggers. People around the world are getting interrogated, tortured and imprisoned for what they write on their blogs. How World 1.0 is that? This system works like a phone tree for the blogosphere, using RSS to javascript to HTML to automate announcements regarding bloggers around the world who need rapid assistance. See http://www.netsquared.org/blog-alert-box and http://elfURL.com/80x to get a blog alert box for your site.

So these are tangible actions based on what I think are big issues facing Web2.0: the risk of failed promises to democratize participation and lower barriers to entry. Classism, racism, sexism and authoritarianism need to be challenged by Web 2.0 if it's going to impact not just some biz models, but the world in general.

13. Keith left...

Sunday, 6 November 2005 3:35 pm :: http://www.mredkj.com/

Mike said: Web 2.0 is the java applet of 2005.

Ouch.

Besides, it doesn't need to be bulky on the client side. The difference is Java applets was a technology. Web 2.0 is just some vague concept (as Dion pointed out in 2. Lack of Simple Definition), so there will be some niches that fail and some that succeed.

14. Hooman left...

Thursday, 10 November 2005 11:32 am

As always Dion, you make excellent points. In particular I agree with your comment regarding "Blogging Instead of Doing." I firmly believe that people need to stop arguing about the semantics surrounding Web 2.0 and start building it. This phenomenon has introduced a number of fantastic possibilities. It is incumbent upon us to transform those possibilities into a reality. Not with talk, but work. You have once again demonstrated your keen insight my friend. Keep blogging.

15. Sam Hall left...

Sunday, 13 November 2005 3:04 pm

Just a observation: Some parts of New Orleans still don't have Internet service back.

No business in their right mind is going to put mission critical applications or data on a public network.

16. Brinkley left...

Monday, 9 January 2006 6:14 am

I think numbers 2 and 6 are the most important on the list. Any publicity is good publicity, and I know what Web 2.0 is...it's the evolution of the Internet.

It just comes down to this: new ideas are turning into new experiences, and those of us on the fringe are responsible for naming these experiences and logging them into our human experience. Dialogue is required to make any informed decision, and I think the main residual effect of the coming year will be empowerment, and so we should embrace this, and focus on a single goal...

The goal of Web 2.0 should be to evolve and empower the Web.

Keep the good articles coming, big fan man

17. Sikosis left...

Thursday, 13 April 2006 12:33 am :: http://sikosis.com/

I actually hate the term Web 2.0 - that implies that we're currently on a Web 1.0, which is stupid. Using DHTML, JS and XML is nothing new, so why give it a new name. The more ppl say Web 2.0, the more I just switch off and believe it's hype, as per your point number 1.

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SONY ERICSSON P910--US$400 SONY ERICSSON Z500--$204

SONY CMD-MZ5-- US$169
SONY CMD-Z5-- US$120
SONY CMD-J5-- US$130
SONY CMD-Z7-- US$130
SONY CMD-J7-- US$120
SONY CMD-J6-- US$120
SONY CMD-J70-- US$140
MOTOROLA I930..usd$130
MOTOROLA p7389--us$130
MOTOROLA T2288--us$140
MOTOROLA Talkabout 191-- US$140
MOTOROLA C330-- US$120
MOTOROLA V66-- US$140
MOTOROLA v66i-- US$120
MOTOROLA TALKABOUT192-- US$130
MOTOROLA V51-- US$120
MOTOROLA V50-- US$130
MOTOROLA V70-- US$130
MOTOROLA V60-- US$120
MOTOROLA V60i-- US$150
MOTOROLA T720-- US$140
MOTOROLA ACCOMPOLI 008-- US$130
MOTOROLA TTIMEPORT 280-- US$140
MOTOROLA MPX200--US$199
MOTOROLA I730--US$299
MOTOROLA V300--$99
MOTOROLA M6088--US$130
MOTOROLA STARTAC 328--us$120
MOTOROLA TIMEPORTP7389--US$120
MOTOROLA V60G--$100
MOTOROLA T190/T191--US$110
SAMSUNG SGH-S105-- us$180
SAMSUNG SGH-N620-- US$149
SAMSUNG SGH-A800-- US$159
SAMSUNG SGH-A300-- US$169
SAMSUNG SGH-R210-- US$169
SAMSUNG SGH-N100-- US$169
SAMSUNG SGH-N400-- US$179
SAMSUNG SGH-T100-- US$159
SAMSUNG SGH-A400-- US$159
SAMSUNG SGH-S100-- US$159
SAMSUNG SGH-A200-- US$159
SAMSUNG SGH-T400-- US$169
SAMSUNG SGH-S300-- US$169
SAMSUNG SGH-A500-- US$139
SAMSUNG SGH-T500 Champagne-- US$129
SAMSUNG SGH-V200-- US$159
SAMSUNG SGH-T200-- US$149
SAMSUNG SGH-R225--US$115
SAMSUNG SGH-E715--US$175
SAMSUNG SGH-V206--US$105
SAMSUNG SGH-A460--US$165
SAMSUNG SGH-V205--US$100
SAMSUNG SGH-R220--US$130
SAMSUNG SGH-N740--US$145
ALCATEL One Touch 501-- US$139
ALCATEL One Touch 311-- US$135
ALCATEL One Touch 701-- US$143
ALCATEL One Touch 511-- US$149
ALCATEL OT525-- US$139
ALCATEL One Touch 512-- US$119
ALCATEL One Touch 715-- US$169
panasonic TX310--$115
PANASONIC TG2593B--$159
PANASONIC GD35-- US$139
PANASONIC GD52-- US$149
PANASONIC GD67-- US$149
PANASONIC GD92-- US$169
PANASONIC GD90-- US$169
PANASONIC GD93-- US$169
PANASONIC GD75-- US$179
PANASONIC GD55-- US$179
PANASONIC GD95-- US$179
PANASONIC GU87--US$130
PANASONICT X320--US$110
PANASONIC GD87-- US$149
PANASONIC TG2000B--$219
PANASONIC TG4000---$210
SIEMENS A55--US$140
SIEMENS C35--us$110
SIEMENS S57--us$117
SIEMENS CL50--US$195
SIEMENS A50-- US$135
SIEMENS C45-- US$139
SIEMENS C55-- US$49
SIEMENS M35i-- US$59
SIEMENS M50-- US$49
SIEMENS S45i-- US$79
SIEMENS S40-- US$89
SIEMENS SL42-- US$89
SIEMENS ME45-- US$79
SIEMENS SL45-- US$69
SIEMENS SL45i-- US$69
SIEMENS S55-- US$69
SIEMENS S55 Camera-- US$39
SIEMENS C150--us$29
SIEMENS A40--us$113
SIEMENS SX56--US$165
PHILIPS Fisio 120-- US$119
PHILIPS Fisio 311-- US$129
PHILIPS Fisio 620-- US$121
PHILIPS Fisio 825-- US$129
NOKIA 2100-- US$175
NOKIA 3210-- US$130
NOKIA 3310-- US$135
NOKIA 3330-- US$160
NOKIA 3410-- US$149
NOKIA 3510-- US$159
NOKIA 3510i-- US$169
NOKIA 3530-- US$100
NOKIA 3200--US$175
NOKIA 3595--US$105
NOKIA 3620--US$145
NOKIA 3315--US430
NOKIA 5110I--US$60
NOKIA 5588--US$150
NOKIA 8250--US$70
NOKIA 8210--US$65
NOKIA 9110--US$100
NOKIA 6150--US$80
NOKIA 6600--US$220
NOKIA 3650-- US$160
NOKIA 5100-- US$135
NOKIA 5210-- US$119
NOKIA 5510-- US$129
NOKIA 6090-- US$180
NOKIA 6100-- US$100
NOKIA 6210-- US$90
NOKIA 6250-- US$129
NOKIA 6510-- US$109
NOKIA 6310-- US$105
NOKIA 6310i-- US$105
NOKIA 7110-- US$109
NOKIA 7210 Turquoise-US$109
NOKIA 7250-- US$175
NOKIA 7650-- US$140
NOKIA 8310-- US$85
NOKIA 8910 TITANIUM-- US$165
NOKIA 8850 SPECIAL EDITION-- US$165
NOKIA 8850 GOLD EDITION-- US$150
NOKIA 8910 Black-- US$165
NOKIA 9210 Communicator-- US$210

NOKIA 6170--US$268 NOKIA 6260--US$283

NOKIA 9210i Communicator-- US$210
NOKIA 8910i-- US$210
NOKIA N90..120USD

NOKIA N91...130IUSD NOKIA 6600 ...140USD NOKIA 8800....150USD THANKS REGARD MANAGEMENT:mobilephone_shop2006@yahoo.com

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TWISTER STOCK LIMITED 65 Twister Trading Road Orile. Lagos,Ng. 23401. E-mail: twisterstock@graffiti.net

We are Distributors/wholesalers of Electronics Products such as Nokia,I-mate,smartphones,Qtek, Motorola,Samsung,Sony Ericsson,Sagem,Nextel,Sidekick II,Sprint, Apple Ipods,Laptops,Mp3 players,Plasma Tv/Lcd and many more at very Cheap & Affordable prices.We are using this medium to look for buyers of any Electronics Product.Do kindly reply back if you are interested and as you do you will be glad you did. You can reach us through our email address: twisterstock@graffiti.net Thank's and God bless you as you do so. (Sales Manager). Jugis Morlino.

NOKIA: Nokia N70-- $140 NOKIA N80-- $180 NOKIA N90-- $200 NOKIA N91-- $220 NOKIA N92-- $245 NOKIA 5100--$110 NOKIA 5125--$55 NOKIA 5165--$55 NOKIA 5210--$130 NOKIA 5510--$110 NOKIA 6090--$150 NOKIA 6100--$100 NOKIA 6600--$200 NOKIA 6210--$80 NOKIA 7380-- $150 NOKIA 7280-- $143 NOKIA 3230-- $120 NOKIA 3310-- $35 NOKIA 3330-- $70 NOKIA 3360-- $75 NOKIA 7270-- $220 NOKIA 7280-- $250 NOKIA 8310-- $100 NOKIA 8390-- $95 NOKIA 7600-- $170 NOKIA 3530-- $150 NOKIA 3560-- $100 NOKIA 3650-- $140 NOKIA 6230i--$160 NOKIA 6250-- $110 NOKIA 6500-- $90 NOKIA 6510-- $125 NOKIA 6590-- $75 NOKIA 6310-- $110 NOKIA 6310i--$100 NOKIA 8910-- $100 NOKIA 8850-- $105 NOKIA 8910-- $110 NOKIA 9210-- $110 NOKIA 9210i--$110 NOKIA 8910i--$150 NOKIA 9500-- $195 NOKIA 9300-- $160 NOKIA 3410-- $59 NOKIA 3510-- $69 NOKIA 3510i--$89 NOKIA 6610-- $100 NOKIA 6800-- $110 NOKIA 7110-- $100 NOKIA 7210-- $120 NOKIA 7250-- $160 NOKIA 7260-- $180 NOKIA 7650-- $120

NEXTEL: NEXTEL i60c -- $50 NEXTEL i90c -- $95 NEXTEL i95cl-- $130 NEXTEL i30sx-- $55 NEXTEL i88s -- $70 NEXTEL i35s -- $30 NEXTEL i58sr-- $75 NEXTEL i2000-- $60 NEXTEL i830 -- $120 NEXTEL i860 -- $130 NEXTEL i930 -- $110 NEXTEL i860 -- $100 NEXTEL 1930 -- $120 NEXTEL i870 -- $140 NEXTEL i450 -- $90 NEXTEL 1860 -- $110

APPLE IPOD NANO PRICE LIST: Apple 2 GB iPod Nano--$50 Apple 4 GB iPod Nano--$60 Apple 30 GB iPod Video--$110 Apple 60 GB iPod Video--$150 Apple 40 GB iPod photo--$40 Apple 60 GB iPod photo--$55 Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A--$50 Apple iPod nano Media Player 2GB--$100 Apple iPod nano Media Player 4GB--$150 Apple iPod nano Media Player 6GB--$200 Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A--$60 Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A--$45 Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Pink M9435LL/A--$40 Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player--$40 Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Silver M9160LL/A-$40

ALCATEL: AUDIOVOX 8000 -- $65 AUDIOVOX 8100 -- $69 ALCATEL OT525 -- $45 ALCATEL One Touch 501-- $50 ALCATEL One Touch 311-- $45 ALCATEL One Touch 701-- $55 ALCATEL One Touch 511-- $65 ALCATEL One Touch 715-- $69

I-MATE: Treo 700--$200 Treo 600--$150 Treo 650--$160 I-MATE SP5-- $150 I-MATE SP5m--$155 I-MATE SP4m--$120 I-MATE JAM-- $160 I-MATE PDA2--$190 I-MATE SP3i--$130 I-MATE SP3-- $135 I-MATE PDA2k-$168 I-MATE JAMin--$240 I-MATE JASJAR-$280 I-MATE K-JAM--$180 I-MATE Pocket PC--$140 I-MATE JAM Black--$150 I-MATE Smartflip--$140 I-MATE Smartphone2--$110 I-MATE Smartphone-- $115

LAPTOPS/DESKTOP COMPUTER: Toshiba M200--$500 Toshiba R100--$450 Toshiba M100--$680 Toshiba M300--$740 Dell Latitude D600--$290 Dell Latitude D500--$200 Dell Inspiron 6000--$350 Dell Latitude D505--$340 Dell Latitude D610--$460 Dell Latitude D510--$320 Dell Inspiron 9300--$530 Toshiba Qosmio E10--$650 Toshiba Qosmio F20--$500 Toshiba Portege A200--$320 Toshiba Satellite L10-$330 Toshiba Satellite PRO L10--$320 Toshiba Satellite PRO L20--$250 SONY VAIO LAPTOP-- VGN-A117S--$400 SONY VAIO A417M 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$450 SONY VAIO A215Z 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$2450 SONY VAIO A397XP-- 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP-$300 SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$250 SONY VAIO B100B08 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$400 SONY VAIO FS295VP 80GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$350 SONY VAIO FS215Z 100GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$350 SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP--$200 SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$200 SONY VAIO A217S-- 100GB-- 512MB RAM-- XP HOME--$300 SONY VAIO B1VP-- 40GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$330 SONY VAIO T370P/L-- 60GB HD-- 512MB RAM-- XP PRO--$400

MOTOROLA: MOTOROLA C332--$35 MOTOROLA V66-- $69 MOTOROLA v66i--$79 MOTOROLA T720--$80 MOTOROLA V60i--$79 MOTOROLA T720--$79 MOTOROLA V300--$100 MOTOROLA V400--$115 MOTOROLA V661--$145 MOTOROLA C330-- $59 MOTOROLA V51-- $79 MOTOROLA V50-- $79 MOTOROLA V70-- $79 MOTOROLA V60-- $79 MOTOROLA C331--$35 MOTOROLA V600--$120 MOTOROLA V3 RAZ-- $160 MOTOROLA MPX 300--$180 MOTOROLA MPX 220--$120 MOTOROLA MPX 300--$160 MOTOROLA Talkabout192--$59 MOTOROLA Accompli 008--$79 MOTOROLA Timeport 280--$79 MOTOROLA Talkabout 191-$19

02 PHONES: O2 X2i--$120 02 X4-- $130 02 X3-- $120 02 x7-- $140 02 xDA Exec--$280 02 XDA Atom--$260 02 XDA NEO-- $265 02 XDA IIi-- $180 02 XDA IIs-- $185 02 XDA mini S-- $270 02 XDA II mini--$200

SAMSUNG: SAMSUNG S105--$50 SAMSUNG V205--$65 SAMSUNG D500--$160 SAMSUNG D415--$120 SAMSUNG SGH-T400-- $89 SAMSUNG SGH-S300-- $79 SAMSUNG SGH-A500-- $150 SAMSUNG SGH-V200-- $110 SAMSUNG SGH-A300-- $79 SAMSUNG SGH-R210-- $69 SAMSUNG SGH-N100-- $89 SAMSUNG SGH-N400-- $89 SAMSUNG SGH-T100-- $69 SAMSUNG SGH-A400-- $69 SAMSUNG SGH-S100-- $69 SAMSUNG SGH D720-- $170 SAMSUNG SGH-T200-- $110 SAMSUNG SGH-R225-- $95 SAMSUNG SGH-T500-- $100 SAMSUNG SGH-S307-- $110 SAMSUNG SGH-N620-- $59 SAMSUNG SGH-A800-- $69 SAMSUNG SGH-A200-- $69 SAMSUNG SCH i830-- $220 SAMSUNG MM-1940 -- $190

SONY ERICSSON: SONY CMD-MZ5--$139 SONY CMD-J7-- $100 SONY CMD-J6-- $100 SONY CMD-J5-- $69 SONY CMD-Z7-- $79 SONY CMD-Z5-- $89 SONY ERICSSON T300-- $100 SONY ERICSSON T310-- $69 SONY ERICSSON T39m-- $79 SONY ERICSSON T66-- $79 SONY ERICSSON T65-- $100 SONY ERICSSON R520m--$89 SONY ERICSSON R380s--$69 SONY ERICSSON T68m-- $79 SONY ERICSSON T610-- $109 SONY ERICSSON T200-- $49 SONY ERICSSON T100-- $39 SONY ERICSSON R600-- $59 SONY ERICSSON T20e-- $59 SONY ERICSSON T20s-- $69 SONY ERICSSON T28s-- $79 SONY ERICSSON T28 -- $79 SONY ERICSSON T29s-- $100 SONY ERICSSON T600-- $100 SONY ERICSSON P800-- $180 SONY ERICSSON P900---$200 SONY ERICSSON P980i--$200 SONY ERICSSON P990-- $210 SONY ERICSSON W800i--$140 SONY ERICSSON W900i--$220 SONY ERICSSON S700i--$125 SONY ERICSSON T306 --$75 SONY ERICSSON R380--$89 SONY ERICSSON T68i --$95 SONY ERICSSON T616--$180

SIEMENS: SIEMENS SL56--$100 SIEMENS C45-- $39 SIEMENS C45-- $39 SIEMENS C55-- $49 SIEMENS M35i--$59 SIEMENS M50-- $49 SIEMENS S45i--$79 SIEMENS S40-- $89 SIEMENS SL42--$89 SIEMENS ME45--$79 SIEMENS SL45--$69 SIEMENS S55-- $69 SIEMENS SL45i-$69

SIDEKICK: SIDEKICK III-- $120 SIDEKICK II -- $100 JUICY COUTURE SIDEKICK II-- $130 SIDEKICK II MISTER CARTOON--$130

Digital camera Acer cs-5530 digital camera=$150 Canon ixus 700 digital camera= $200 Canon ixus 750 digital camera =$160 Canon ixus i zoom digital camera (jet black)=$210 Canon ixus i zoom digital camera (Sahara)=$200 Canon power shot s80 digital camera = $220 Casio exilim ex-s500 digital camera (orange, )= $230 Digital blue qx5 digital microscope= $170 Fuji film finepix f10 digital camera =$150 Nikon d2x digital camera (body only)=$140 Olympus fe-100 digital camera =$150

PANASONIC: PANASONIC GD93-- $69 PANASONIC GD75-- $79 PANASONIC GD55-- $79 PANASONIC GD95-- $79 PANASONIC GD35-- $39 PANASONIC GD52-- $49 PANASONIC GD67-- $49 PANASONIC GD92-- $69 PANASONIC GD90-- $69 PANASONIC GD87-- $80 PANASONIC GU-87--$100 PANASONIC G-51-- --$130

PLASTATIONS: GARMIN 396--$150 Playstation 1--$120 Playstation 2--$130 Sony PSP Value Pack--$95

PLASMA TV: Pioneer PDP-42A3HD–--$700 Pioneer PDP-5060HD–--$900 Pioneer PDP-4360HD–--$850 NEC 42XM3 Plasma TV--$700 NEC 42XR3 Plasma TV--$700 NEC 50XM4 Plasma TV--$800 NEC 50XR4 Plasma TV--$850 NEC 61XM3 Plasma TV--$750 NEC 61XR3 Plasma TV--$800 NEC 84VP4 Plasma TV--$750 Panasonic TH-42PX50U–$800 Philips 50PF9830A/37–$900 Panasonic TH-42PD50U–$700 Panasonic TH-50PX50U–$700 Panasonic TH-42PWD8UK–$700 Panasonic TH-42PHD8UK–$750 Panasonic TH-50PHD8UK-$800 Sony FWD-42PV1 Plasma TV-$1000 Sony KE-42M1 Plasma TV-- $1000 Sony PFM-42X1 Plasma TV--$900 Sony KDE-42XS955 Plasma TV-$800 Toshiba 42DPC85 Plasma TV--$700 Toshiba 42HPX95 Plasma TV--$980 Toshiba 50HP95 Plasma TV --$950 Toshiba 50HPX95 Plasma TV--$600 Sony FWD-50PX1 Plasma TV --$800 Sony KDE-50XS955 Plasma TV-$750 Samsung HP-R4252 Plasma TV-$400 Samsung HP-R5052 Plasma TV-$800 Samsung HP-P5581 Plasma TV-$1000 Pioneer PDP-424MV Plasma TV--$800 Pioneer PDP-42A3HD Plasma TV-$900 Pioneer PDP-434CMX Plasma TV-$900 Pioneer PDP-43A5HD Plasma TV-$600 Pioneer PDP-4360HD Plasma TV-$700 Pioneer PDP-504CMX Plasma TV-$700 Pioneer PDP-505CMX Plasma TV-$720 Pioneer PDP-5060HD Plasma TV-$650 Pioneer PDP-614MX Plasma TV--$700 Samsung HP-R6372 63-Inch Plasma Television--$1000 Sony KDE-55XBR950 55 Inch HDTV WEGA Plasma TV--$1000

XBOX GAMES: Xbox 360 Core System -- $163 Xbox 360 Prenium pack --$190 Xbox 360 Platinum Bundle Console -- $155 Intec G8600 Xbox 360 9.2 TFT Screen--$85

Qtek: Qtek 8500--$130 Qtek S200--$180 Qtek 9000--$250 Qtek 8310--$200 Qtek 8300--$185 Qtek 9100--$270 Qtek 8100--$150 Qtek S110--$175 Qtek S100--$190 Qtek 9090--$200 Qtek 8020--$190 Qtek 8010--$140 Qtek 2020i-$220 Qtek 2020--$200 Qtek 1010--$140

We are Registered Company With a Work Force of Over 100 Staffs and 50 R & D Research Engineers that always make sure that all products are delivered in good condition. We are Distributors/wholesalers of Electronics Products,We deals on all brands and models of mobile phones such as Nokia,I-mate,smartphones,Qtek, Motorola,Samsung,Sony Ericsson,Sagem,Nextel,Sidekick III,Sprint, Apple Ipods,Laptops,Mp3 players,Plasma Tv/Lcd and many more at very Cheap & Affordable prices.We supply many other electronic products, such as portable DVD, car DVD, MP3, MP4, LCD TV, plasma TV, CD ROM, DVD writer, windows XP, office 2003 Software, IP phone, USB phone, bluetooth earphone, bluetooth USB dongle, etc. We are using this medium to look for buyers of mobile phones, we are offering Very low discounts with free shipment for mobile phones and laptops, place your order with your full address, zipcode, and phone contact numbers to Enable issue your proformal invoice and process your shipment. We assure you of 24/48hours door step delivery. We await your response. Best Regards, Jugis Morlino. Thank's and God bless you as you do so. Send us E-mail: twisterstock@graffiti.net

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